SP or ND2?

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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby smy0003 » Fri May 15, 2020 3:35 pm

bigdog wrote:Having owned an SP for 13 years, and now having a stunning 04 Boxster S I think I can offer some wisdom.
1. There is no comparison between the Porsche and SP on quality. Paint, finish and engineering on the Porsche is in a different league.
2. Performance is superior (although a modified SP would stay with it to 100kmh). Handling is much nicer stock - you need to modify an SP to match a stock Boxster.
3. The noise of a flat 6 P car is pure music and never gets old.
4. Comfort is also another big win for the P car. I would happily drive it all day, but the SP on coilovers was 4 hours max before a break.
5. Maintenance is straight forward, I do my own, but everything on the P car is Torx/special tools, which can be painful. The engine is well hidden and some stuff is painfully tight to get to.
6. Parts cost is a big minus. The low cost parts places are in the US, and exchange rate and shipping is a killer. Local dealers are poisonous too.
7. Reliability is a question mark. The P car is more complex, 986/987 have the IMS issue (mine has not been changed, but I change the oil every 5000km and inspect the old filter for contamination). They also have dual mass flywheels that should be changed with every second clutch. Valve guide tensioners are also a wear point.
8. All that said, my car is worth as much or more than I paid for it two years ago, and will continue to appreciate. My SP lost half its value over the 13 years I owned it. I loved my SP, but I love the Boxster more.


What a champ, thanks Bigdog!

Have been browsing MY08 3.4L Boxter Ss on carsales, looks like $35-$40k is the ballpark for an average condition one (although the average is quite good being a Porsche).
It's easy to test drive an ND, but I'll have to look for a dealer with the right Boxter in stock to test drive.

CeramicND wrote:I have an ND1 (2.0) and an NA6 (also owned a NB8A for a short while). Have also dríven NC's and a ND2. As a daily the the ND is a step beyond every model that precedes it. It tends to have more torque lower in the rev range and it's comfort and accessories make it a far more appealing daily driver. Have dríven an ND2 on track and on the road back to back with an ND1. The performance difference of an ND2 on track is subtle, whilst it is quicker, you want feel that difference by the seat if the pants. On the road, the difference is almost imperceptible.

As for my NA6, it's a minimally modified club track toy. I do prefer it's handling on the track to the ND (both have modified suspension) and I love the manual steering rack of the NA but everything else goes to the ND.

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I also found the performance increase to be relatively minor, although the adjustable steering column of the ND2 is a massive plus for me as I'm a smidge over 6'1". Thanks mate.
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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby Mr Morlock » Sat May 16, 2020 12:39 pm

I would not be taking much notice of used prices on Carsales- almost certainly its negotiable where unfortunately people may be discarding non essential cars. A Boxster is a bigger cabin and more functional than the ND. - big guys height and weight fit in a Boxster. Test drives- don't bother with dealers there are cars to be dríven by sellers and no one who wants to sell a car is going to refuse a test drive.
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Re: SP or ND2?

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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby smy0003 » Thu May 21, 2020 9:21 am

lucmor444 wrote:How about this ND2 Rohan:

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/essendo ... 1245029536


Did see that one. Actually was looking at it when Essendon Mazda was selling it as well. Very quick turn around time for that owner from buying to selling.
Never got in touch, as at the peak of lockdown I wasn't sure if buying a car as a toy quite counted as essential.
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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby Alex 2550 » Thu May 21, 2020 4:14 pm

The way I see it the ND was always marketed as going back to the original NA MX5 as far as weight and driver experience goes but it’s far far more refined and safer.
it’s actually quite incredible that they get the ND features with such low weight.
You really enjoyed Gregory (which was beautiful) and is most likely the experience you miss so I say go the ND.

Mazda reliability.
Huge aftermarket support.
Low ownership cost.

We looked at an X5 M (423kw!!) and Cayenne for the missus but went a top of the range CX5.
Heart wanted the euros, head went with the Mazda.


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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby lucmor444 » Thu May 21, 2020 7:19 pm

The ND is a great car and and it will be interesting to see how Mazda replaces it.

My ND RF is a great compliment to my NA!

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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby Alex 2550 » Thu May 21, 2020 8:12 pm

lucmor444 wrote:The ND is a great car and and it will be interesting to see how Mazda replaces it.

My ND RF is a great compliment to my NA!

^^^^ what he said


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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby bruce » Thu May 21, 2020 8:43 pm

lucmor444 wrote:The ND is a great car and and it will be interesting to see how Mazda replaces it.


With the NE...

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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby Nevyn72 » Fri May 22, 2020 11:16 am

bruce wrote:
lucmor444 wrote:The ND is a great car and and it will be interesting to see how Mazda replaces it.


With the NE...

The NE & NF body codes actually went to the Fiat and Abarth variants.....

So the next MX5 will be a NG but that's a fair way off as the generations seem to have a ~10 year life cycle and the ND is barely even 5. :wink:
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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby Mr Morlock » Fri May 22, 2020 11:26 am

Well does anyone have sales performance on the ND worldwide? You cannot take anything for granted if its not selling up to requirements it could be axed though I doubt Mazda would give up considering what a success it has been since inception. As essentially a car for fun and not essential then new car sales may dip.

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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby 93_Clubman » Fri May 22, 2020 12:21 pm

Mr Morlock wrote:Well does anyone have sales performance on the ND worldwide?

Not worldwide, but Aust sales for NA, NB, NC, & ND follow:
93_Clubman wrote:Australian MX5 sales according to Mazda:
1989: 621 (NA6A)
1990: 1446 (NA6A)
1991: 746 (NA6A)
1992: 502 (NA6B)
1993: 453 (NA6B & NA8A)
1994: 404 (NA8A)
1995: 197 (NA8A)
1996: 241 (NA8B)
1997: 206 (NA8B)
Total NA sales: 4816

1998: 1310 (NB8A)
1999: 1354 (NB8A)
2000: 1038 (NB8A & NB8B)
2001: 924 (NB8B)
2002: 698 (NB8B)
2003: 540 (NB8C)
2004: 483 (NB8D)
Total NB sales: 6347

2005: 743 (NC1)
2006: 1468 (NC1)
2007: 1170 (NC1)
2008: 639 (NC1)
2009: 521 (NC2)
2010: 440 (NC2)
2011: 315 (NC2)
2012: 159 (NC2)
2013: 178 (NC3)
2014: 118 (NC3)
Total NC sales: 5751

2015: 917 (ND1)
2016: 1577 (ND1)
2017: 1459 (ND1)
2018: 835 (ND1)
2019: 442 (ND1)
Total ND sales to date: 5230

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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby Lokiel » Fri May 22, 2020 12:24 pm

Now that Mazda doesn't have a Rotary sports car in their line up, the MX5 is really their only "Jewel in the Crown".

The other Madza models may be considered good->excellent, but at the end of the day, they just suit mass-market requirements and there are plenty of other competitors so there's nothing special about them.

While car companies primarily care about sales, they love to have a "stand-out" model that's immediately recognisable as their product, it's good for advertising their brand.

The MX5 is an icon and has been for 20 years now.

I suspect that there will be more MX5 generations to come (at ~8-10 year intervals).

I'd LOVE an electric-powered MX5 once they figure out how to make batteries lighter.
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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby bruce » Fri May 22, 2020 1:37 pm

Regards buying a Porsche. People rarely daily drive them - only if it is a Cayenne SUV or a rich specialist GP. I can't see SMY going to the supermarket in a Boxster. Even MX5s aren't that common...

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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby bootz » Fri May 22, 2020 3:43 pm

What about a supercharged V6 from Toyota, ala Lotus, stuffed into a NA or NB - seems to tick all boxes.
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Re: SP or ND2?

Postby plohl » Fri May 22, 2020 5:03 pm

93_Clubman wrote:Australian MX5 sales according to Mazda...


I accidentally turned this into a graph...

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bootz wrote:What about a supercharged V6 from Toyota, ala Lotus, stuffed into a NA or NB - seems to tick all boxes.


^super cheap too!
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