Vic CPS proposed interim changes

[93_Clubman]

Not Vicroads CPS, but related:
Meet the 'car-nuts' using classic vintage motors as flagship company vehicles in businesses across Darwin: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/ ... n/12637120

Tasmanian car dealership reports downturn in new-car sales, used cars in 'tight supply':
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/ ... s/12641318

[Mr Morlock]

the ABC story on using / showcasing older vehicles was very good and genuinely appeals to many older guys who remember these old vehicles - that got passed around straight away.

[93_Clubman]

Road Safety (Vehicles) Interim Regulations 2020:
The Road Safety (Vehicle) Regulations 2009 have expired and a new set of regulations commenced on 4 October 2020. The new regulations are the Road Safety (Vehicles) Interim Regulations 2020.

These regulations are an interim set of regulations in place for a period of 12 months. During this time a Regulatory Impact Statement (RIS) and associated consultation process will be undertaken as part of the development of the new Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations which will come into effect in October 2021. The following is a partial overview of the changes that commenced 4 October 2020:

Unregistered vehicle permits:
-A driver can now provide an Unregistered Vehicle Permit electronically upon request by Victoria Police and or an authorised officer.
-If the vehicle is left unattended or the electronic permit is unavailable, the permit must be printed and displayed.

Club Permit Scheme:
Financial Members:
-The requirement to be a ‘financial’ member of an approved vehicle club has been removed. Club Permit applicants now simply need to be a member of an approved vehicle club.

Requirements of an approved vehicle club:
-VicRoads will be able to impose, vary or remove conditions on an approved vehicle club.

Club permit conditions:
-To provide greater clarity the regulations now specify:
A vehicle operated under a club permit must not be used for hire or reward for the carriage of goods or freight or to provide a commercial passenger vehicle service as defined by the Commercial Passenger Vehicle Industry Act 2017.
Operating conditions

-VicRoads can now impose, vary or remove permanent or temporary operating conditions on a Club Permit if the vehicle does not meet the standards for registration. For example, a vehicle with non-compliant headlights may have a condition of no driving at night.

-The permit holder will be notified and sent a Certificate of approved operations if this occurs.

-A Club Permit holder must not use a Club Permit vehicle to which a permanent or temporary condition has been applied without carrying the Certificate of approved operations in the vehicle.

Change of CPS vehicle details:
-Club Permit holders now have 14 days to notify that details of their vehicle (e.g. colour, engine) have changed, including any modifications to the Club Permit vehicle.
Number Plates

-Club Permit holders are now required to pay for standard club permit number plates

-Slimline plates are also being introduced as an option for club permit scheme members. Slimline club permit number plates are scheduled to be introduced for purchase in 2021.

CPS - Reassignment of deceased estates:
-A Club Permit can be re-assigned to the surviving spouse/domestic partner when the Club Permit holder is deceased. The surviving spouse/domestic partner of the deceased will also need to be a member of an approved vehicle club. An application must be made by the authorised representative within 90 days after becoming the authorised representative.

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/about-v ... tions-2020

[93_Clubman]

Vic CPS proposed changes 2021:
Vehicle Standards Information 33 June 2021 - Guidelines for modifications to vehicles operated under Victoria’s Club Permit Scheme:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... Scheme.pdf

Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2021:
The Department of Transport has now released draft Regulations and is inviting feedback and submissions on proposed regulatory reforms:
https://engage.vic.gov.au/road-safety-vehicles

Document Library:
Summary Paper - Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2021:
https://engage.vic.gov.au/download_file/47781/5334

Regulatory Impact Statement - Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2021:
https://engage.vic.gov.au/download_file/47780/5334

Letter of Assessment:
https://engage.vic.gov.au/download_file/47037/5334

Exposure Draft:
https://engage.vic.gov.au/download_file/47616/5334

[93_Clubman]

Days of cheap rego loophole for ‘classic’ cars could be numbered
The Age By Tom Cowie 17 July 2021
Daniel Paproth loves his 1985 Honda City, even though others might not consider it a classic. He describes the colour as either lime green or highlighter yellow.
“It’s a beast,” he said. “An absolute weapon. I always wanted a car that suited my extra
personality.”
Daniel Paproth in his 1985 Honda City.Credit:Justin McManus
Attached to the front and rear of his compact Japanese hatchback are a set of maroon number plates, which entitle it to cheaper registration than regular cars as part of Victoria’s club permit scheme for historic vehicles.
But while Mr Paproth fills out a logbook to show he only uses his car less than once a week,
there are concerns that others are rorting the system for commuting or work.
The scheme is clearly attractive to those looking for a loophole to save a buck. A 45-day permit costs just $120 each year, compared with $850 for standard vehicle registration. There is also a 90-day option costing $195.
“I love it, it’s brilliant for my purposes,” he said. “It would be a much harder decision about
keeping the car if it didn’t exist. It’s not a daily driver.”
Daniel gets cheap rego as part of Victoria’s club permit scheme.Credit:Justin McManus
The Department of Transport is currently conducting a review of Victoria’s road rules
<https://engage.vic.gov.au/road-safety-vehicles>, with access to the club permit scheme and its cheap rego set to be tightened.
Among the changes being proposed is an increase to the age for an eligible car from 25 to 30
years, while new penalties will also be considered for those who breach the rules.
Iain Ross, president of the Association of Motoring Clubs <https://www.aomc.asn.au/club-permit-scheme>, said that a major issue with the scheme at the moment was there was no definition of what vehicles were eligible.
“It doesn’t matter once a car turns 25, it can be an old truck or a rusty Ford Laser,” he said.
“That’s meant a lot of daily drivers are slipping onto the scheme when they turn 25 years old. We need to define what constitutes a classic or historic vehicle, it’s a very difficult task.”
The matter of average motors getting around on club plates has become enough of a sore point that a Twitter page, @ShitCarsOnClubRego <https://twitter.com/shitcarsclubreg?lang=en>, was set up to document them.
“Classic” models featured on the page include the Toyota Seca, Nissan Pintara, Mitsubishi Magna, and Ford Meteor.
As part of its review, the department highlighted problems of some people not complying with the club permit scheme’s requirements.
One issue was that some people were using cars for commercial purposes, such as driving tools to work as part of a landscaping business or hiring out vehicles for weddings.
‘It’s a beast,’ says Daniel Paproth of his 1985 Honda City.Credit:Justin McManus
Another was that cars were being dríven more than the 45 or 90 days allocated. Drivers are
required to fill out their log book whenever they drive more than 100 metres.
For those who don’t follow the rules, Victoria Police can issue a $908 fine for driving an
unregistered vehicle. The Department of Transport is proposing an additional $363 fine as a
specific log book offence.
Mr Ross also said that genuine motoring enthusiasts had a problem with car clubs being set up purely to take advantage of the discount registration. Under the rules, an owner needs to join a club before getting a permit.
“We are concerned about the number of clubs formed only to get vehicles on to the scheme,” he said.
Victoria is reviewing the club permit scheme, raising the eligibility age from 25 yers to 30.
Credit:Justin McManus
“There’s clubs with tiny memberships, there’s other clubs that are clearly businesses. These are not genuine clubs.”
Of the 1057 clubs currently registered as part of the scheme, the Department of Transport said 462 clubs had 10 or fewer vehicles. Seventy two were one-car clubs.
A department spokesperson said there was no intention to ban one-vehicle clubs and that the
changes to the age eligibility would not be retrospective.
“We’re considering feedback on a number of proposed changes, including measures to protect the integrity of the scheme and to bring it into line with other states,” the spokesperson said.
“There are significant penalties for breaches to log book requirements and new penalties are
being considered to improve compliance and remove loopholes.”
Mr Paproth said he fell in love with the Honda City after seeing some friends drive one around Australia as part of the Shitbox Rally raising money for charity
<https://www.shitboxrally.com.au/>.
He paid around $2600 for it and reckons it has good resale value.
“I just love it so much, it’s comfy, it’s fun to drive,” he said.
“It’s a complete death trap, if I was in any minor accident. I would be in trouble because it’s
so small, there’s no airbags or other safety features.
“But I’m always getting waves and honks from other drivers and I love it.”
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 589o2.html

[bruce]

Yes, saw that article. Interesting regards the one car and smaller car 'clubs'.

[93_Clubman]

Interesting regards the one car and smaller car 'clubs'.

Of the 1057 clubs currently registered as part of the scheme, the Department of Transport said 462 clubs had 10 or fewer vehicles. Seventy two were one-car clubs. A department spokesperson said there was no intention to ban one-vehicle clubs

Yeah, 10 or fewer vehicle clubs make up a significant percentage of the total number of clubs. Reckon many one vehicle clubs days are numbered despite what the department spokesman says.

[rascal]

The upping from 25yrs to 30yrs sucks. I was looking forward to not having to pay $800 year for the 5 times a year my NB is dríven on the road. Only had three years to go, now looks like it will still be eight…

[bruce]

This is proof that those that rort the system are ruining it for everyone else (and themselves in future).
I think a change to 30 years is too much as it will put us out of step with other States. I think they should just crackdown on those naughty individuals rather than everybody.

[rascal]

This is proof that those that rort the system are ruining it for everyone else (and themselves in future).

This!!

I think a change to 30 years is too much as it will put us out of step with other States. I think they should just crackdown on those naughty individuals rather than everybody.

I think a few other states (Tassie?) are already 30yo and the reason to move to 30yo was to align with other states. PIty the other states on 30 dont align with us on 25!
I agree they should just crackdown on individuals rather than spoil it for all, when 90% are doing the right thing..

[bruce]

I was gonna say does Tassie have car clubs let alone cars! But then I thought the only cars they'd have down there would be really old, thus the 30 year rule would work for them.
Kidding.

[rascal]

Or maybe they have a 15year rule which gets doubled for each head....

[93_Clubman]

Vic CPS slimline H plates now available: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registr ... mit-plates
&
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registr ... ber-plates

[93_Clubman]

Changes effective as of 30 Sep 2021: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/about-v ... tions-2021
No change to CPS 25 year rule.

[rascal]

Great news.

Only 3 years to go ….